tv Charlie Rose Bloomberg September 20, 2016 10:00pm-11:01pm EDT
♪ announcer: from our studios in new york city, this is "charlie rose." marc: we begin this evening with the explosion in manhattan on saturday night. ahmad khan ahami was taken into custody after being wounded in a gunfight with police. rahami is suspected to have orchestrated the bombings in new york and new jersey over the weekend. the 22-year-old was born in afghanistan. he is a natural assistance in according to the f -- citizen according to the fbi. he was discovered captured in new jersey. on got pulled into this
saturday in chelsea before they linked it back to seaside heights. guest: we have this explosion happened under a dumpster on a relatively nondescript street, 23rd street, and then they found a second pressure cooker. had that point, they did not know if it was a real bomb or not. in the first few hours they were not linking it to what happened on the jersey shore where they had a pipe bomb go off for my gas -- from a trashcan. it looked relatively minor. then with the bombing in chelsea , people asked if they were connected. over the course of the day on sunday, the started to connect the two and learn more troubling things that added confusion. nowhat do we know right about these devices? marc: we are learning they are more sophisticated than people thought which is somewhat , worrying. perhaps he had some help on -- help or coaching in putting
these together. it is the kind of compound, not just as simple as looking on the internet and doing it. that is what we are told. the other pipe bombs are more typical of what you may find with black powder type bombs. there was late sunday night a backpack of pipe bombs found near a train station. those were, we think, were more typical of type bombs. -- pipe bombs. a variety of bombs, the most sophisticated of which in chelsea. >> did he have more inside his home or other places? marc: we don't know yet. >> the five people who were questioned not arrested, family members? marc: what happens during the investigation, as they get more concerned about the sophistication of the devices and the fact that he is still out there, they look at surveillance video and start to focus in on him. once they do that, they start looking at addresses in new jersey associated with him. at one address, they see a car
leave and decide to act. they pulled the car over and there are five people. at least two of them are relatives. they are taken in for questioning and released. so what their exact relation and connection is we don't know. ,but it just shows you the urgency last night trying to find this guy. >> as they are putting the pieces of the puzzle together, he has been found in linden. marc: i don't know if you get your reports, but most new yorkers woke up to this alert west,, almost like a wild wanted, this guy. the whole city woke up to it including police officers who were all distributing this picture. the picture goes out, and 10:30 this morning there is a bar owner in linden who sees a guy sleeping in the vestibule. he looks a little suspicious. maybe more because of the alert, but he calls 911. an officer responds. he tried to wake the guy up and he seems scared.
the person recognize him, look scared. the guy pulls a gun and shoots a police officer. it hits his vest. the guy tries to get away. he is shooting wildly in the street. yes shot multiple times, and that is where we ended this morning with him going to the hospital. >> the times is doing some reporting in elizabeth and lyndon on what rahami was doing in the months and years before this happened. before he is suspected of what he is accused of doing over the weekend. tell me more about this. the first american fried chicken was the restaurant that his father first opened? marc: 10 years ago they open the first american fried chicken. some of the family lives in the apartment above that. the sons worked behind the counter. i'd apparently was also a
nuisance, according to neighbors, because in those first years, it was operating 24 hours a day, and sometimes there could be a ready crowd in the evening. -- rowdy crowd in the evening. the neighbors filed a complaint in the city passed an ordinance to have it shut down after 10:00 p.m. they did not comply always. there were some scuffles with the police. there was some bad blood between the neighbors and the people there. that said, we are understanding of his family and background. >> there was a lawsuit between his family and the township. marc: they felt discriminated against. we are looking at those documents now. it is not totally clear. but really for investigators, the most important thing are the trips he might have taken to afghanistan. we are told between 2010 and 2014, there are several trips. neighbors describing returning more radicalized.
we are not sure what that means, but for investigators trying to decide if there is a direction from overseas or wider , you know, influence, if he is inspired by someone, these may be critical. >> we don't know how many trips. do we know how long each of the trips was for? marc: we would think that somebody knows that. when he goes back, comes back, it is noted. >> he went where? he went back to afghanistan, where he is originally from? marc: we were told several times he went back to afghanistan, but we are not sure exactly when and for how long. >> neighbors have told you or your colleagues at least at this point that he changed after these trips. marc: some neighbors described him as more radicalized. before he left, he was into fast cars and dressed in western clothes. >> so on saturday, the suspicion on the part of police is that he left seaside park saturday
morning, the first device that is. and then took the path train into the city? marc: there were three pipe bombs that detonate. the first was out on marine race. the race was delayed. no one was injured. the police are still scouring to see whether he drove, mass transit, that is a part of the investigation. he ends up somehow back in new york because he is got a surveillance tape at 23rd street and 27th street, and he is seen planting the devices. >> and at what time? marc: some point after the explosions that night, he is gone. the next time he is on the radar, he is in linden. so they are trying to place those together and see if he had any help. onfar as we know, he is surveillance video saturday night, and then again, he sews up -- shows up sunday morning outside the vestibule.
>> he ends up in the vestibule of this bar. marc: sleeping in the rain. >> how many shots did he fire? marc: we don't know. police called it indiscriminate fire. there was a handgun he had. they did not release the exact number of rounds. >> two officers were hurt. marc: the officer who approached him first was shot the abdomen. the vast took much of the -- vest took most of the blow. there was another wound we are not sure of the nature of. both are not life-threatening. >> he was hit where? marc: three times. specifics, we are not sure. it looks like the shoulder, the back and the leg. we are still getting the details of that. >> isis did quickly claim responsibility or at least inspiration for the incident in minnesota, the stabbings over the weekend but not as far as this incident goes. marc: that is why the politicians saying they did not think there was a link to
you arrive for the united nations general assembly. i want to talk about egypt, how you see your country, your vision for it what you see are , the tensions between human rights and national security, and economic development. i want to talk about how russia sees -- i mean how egypt sees , its neighbors, how it sees other powers around the world, and want to talk about how they see you and the questions they raise about human rights and individual freedom and your economy. but let me begin with you and egypt. tell me what your vision is and what you think you can accomplish. president el-sisi: let me first by thanking you and to present all the greetings to the american public. and all the greetings to the egyptians who flow from all over
from canada, from other states, , united states from egypt to , come here and join with us on this activity. let me say that i see that egypt is developing at a suitable pace. there are a lot of challenges in all fields. but what we have achieved in all the past years and all fields is substantial. you are talking about stability, security, and human rights. i want to say that egypt has 90 million people. 90 million people need to live in peace and security. but while we are doing this, we are also committed to a state of law, to the rule of law, and this what we are trying to down
route, that the law should dominate. let me be very straightforward with you. perhaps there are some violations, but we are very committed to the rule of law. and to treat all issues within the legal framework. there is some kind of balance between security and stability in a very turbulent region with a lot of serious challenges. perhaps in the last two years, and the last few days here in the states, you have seen the negative impact that a terrorist action can have on the stability. charlie: i assume you are talking about the explosions in new york. president el-sisi: yes. charlie: they have not identified where they may have come from, but i understand your point. president el-sisi: i want to say that regardless of who has committed it. but i'm talking about the
reaction and the bad impact that led.s it puts on the security forces who are responsible for the security of the people in the united states or any other place in the world. charlie: what is the threat today of terrorism in egypt, in the sinai? president el-sisi: terrorism is the most dangerous threat that is not only facing egypt but the region and the whole world. previously i called for a global strategy, and i said before it is not a security strategy, but it is a comprehensive one with a lot of components and gradients, including security, economy, culture, intellectual sides and bringing reformation so that we
will be able to stand firm in front of terrorism. we have substantially improved compared to what we have before. now the terrorist attacks are very limited to 1%, 2% of the area of sinai, and we have improved a lot, many good things regarding terrorists. charlie: we have watched in egypt president mubarak leave government. president morsi, overthrown. you have taken command and then elected president. there are those who worry that if egypt doesn't change, that you might face the same kind of revolution that came about with the arab spring. you worry about that? president el-sisi: i want to say
to you that egypt, the egyptian people on the 25th of january 2011 wanted a change in on the 30th of june 2013 corrected their will. now there is a constitution, and now there is a state, and now there is an egyptian president who cannot stay in office a day longer than his tenure. by half of 2018, there has to be a new presidential election for either a new president or according to the will leave the , egyptians, this is fundamental change that has taken place. charlie: what do you think you can accomplish for egypt? what is the vision of your egypt? president el-sisi: this is a very important question. egyptians have a lot of hopes. and i have a lot of hopes as well.
i hope that egypt restores its rightful place. egypt is a big country in a turbulent region. i hope egypt will enjoy all freedom, prosperity, development for the egyptian people. charlie: you are saying some people have hijacked islam, and used it to -- for their own political agendas. yes? president el-sisi: definitely. absolutely. this is what has happened over many years, and it is being used, it is being taken place now. a certain religious context is being formulated, and then it is
introduced to recruit followers in order to bring it to reality. and this is done through assassination, killings, murders and destruction. at the end of the day, you have countries destroyed, and eventually this virtual weapon is spreading with those who embrace the idea, who embrace the ideology. this is the problem that we face in our region and beyond in -- and beyond, in afghanistan and syria and libya, somalia, nigeria. charlie: as you know in the united states some people including the president does not use the term radical islam -- is like -- islamic extremism. you seem to be comfortable with that.
you believe that is where it is coming from. president el-sisi: we are the oldest country in the region. we know very well about our religion. we know very well about the genuine islam that upholds values and principles, that calls for tolerance and moderation, that prevents people from killing and terrorizing others. charlie: what do you recommend to the west, your arab neighbors to stop isis? the islamic state, whatever -- al qaeda -- what is necessary to win this battle against terrorism?
president el-sisi: the problem is the whole idea of extremism, the whole ideology of extremism is not confined to a certain terrorist group. it is the ideology we have to , face and confront, this is really important. there are certain circumstances that the middle east is undergoing. and this has an impact, an influence on how the west and the united states deals with the region. what i mean is that we need to stand hand-in-hand to confront this serious and dangerous phenomenon. charlie: you are suggesting the coalitions that the united states is part of should do more
than it is doing. do you fault president obama for not doing enough? president el-sisi: i am not blaming anybody. i am just presenting my viewpoint. i say that we need to join the effort and strong will on all of allocate all the resources needed to confront effectively terrorism. egypt is the decisive element of stability if egypt is not able . to overcome its economic problems, and to be able to fight off the pressures the forces of evil to destabilize the country, that means this means this will become a threat to the region, to europe, and
perhaps to the whole world. charlie: and even to your administration. president el-sisi: stability is a very important thing. you are talking about the stability and security and life of 91 million people. this is not an easy thing. egypt is a big country. in population in the middle east. charlie: speak about your economy for a minute. tourism is way down partly because of terrorism. president el-sisi: yes, yes that is true. subsequently this has deprived egypt of a substantial revenue that contributed to the economy. and as a matter of fact, these are manifests of what terrorists do to destabilize countries. resources ofit the revenue so that they can weaken the egyptian economy and
eventually have a negative impact on the egyptians and lead to instability. charlie: but notwithstanding, american objections to human rights policies, which they have expressed to you, secretary kerry and others, and your foreign minister has responded, notwithstanding that the united states gives you military aid more than $1 billion. yes? president el-sisi: yes, definitely. but i want you to visualize something here. egypt has been in a ferocious campaign against terrorism for over three years now in -- and providing security over long borders with libya that extends 1000 kilometers and another long borders on the south. this is very big, and it needs
enormous efforts and enormous resources. the region where we are in the middle east is weak security-wise. egypt has to strike this balance in this region with suitable military capabilities. charlie: well after some , egyptians were killed in libya, you attacked in libya. where is egypt prepared to put its troops in the fight against terrorism, libya? syria? yemen? president el-sisi: egypt is sparing no pain to bring about stability and security inside our country first. egypt is doing all its powers to have an economic rebalance in
egypt. and is contributing with the international coalition with what it can provide. charlie: how significant is the imf? president el-sisi: the significance of the imf is that it is going to give more credibility to the economic path that we have taken. charlie: you have 50% unemployment among young people. correct? president el-sisi: i want to say that in egypt, the population increased. it is 2.5% annually. which means 2.6 million people every year. more than 600,000 young people are introduced into the labor market every year. this means that you need to provide them a lot of job opportunities. charlie: but you are not being able to do it so far. president el-sisi: so far ,i
have not been able to do that. charlie: how much time do you have? president el-sisi: to overcome unemployment completely and effectively, this will take a long time. charlie: but to restore growth to the economy of egypt, with all of its currency problems, issues. of its revenue president el-sisi: actually we are very keen on resolving this problem within the rest of this year. specially the currency in egypt and its availability in the coming three, four months until the end of 2016. charlie: mr. president, characterize the relationships -- relationship with united states notwithstanding the military aid that you receive and whatever economic aid you
receive, which is less than the military aid. what is the relationship between egypt and the united states today, because you are not seeing the president when you are here? he is seeing the prime minister of israel, but he is not seeing the president of egypt. president el-sisi: let me first characterize the relationship. this is a stable and strategic relationship. the past 12 years has been a true test to the endurance and resilience of this relationship. i understand the concerns of the u.s. administration regarding the region. regarding egypt. this is a manifestation of the strong core of this relationship in egypt and the united states. it is not only defined by the aid.
because if the whole relationship only revolves around the size of the aid, and revolves around the size of the aid and characterizes the nature of the relationship, this would not be a good thing. we have had strong relationships, stable and strategic, for more than three decades that we have been very committed to. charlie: many people are saying that the united states will have to reconsider its relationship with egypt if there is not a dramatic improvement in your human rights record. that the nongovernmental organizations are being deceived , that journalists are in jail. that there is a crackdown on
human rights, and it is offensive to the united states government because it goes to the heart of american values, and they believe in some cases you are doing it and using security and the threat of terrorism as an excuse to solidify your power. and that it approaches authoritarianism. president el-sisi: in egypt, this will be an over simple >> in egypt, this will be an over simple vocation. it does not reflect the reality in egypt. most of it is presented not accurately as i just mentioned. the president will be able to set one more day in his chair be on the tenure because the constitution will not allow him.
neither will the egyptian people. the other thing is that we are trying to strike a balance between stability and security. because this country cannot be violently shaken. there will be consequences on the country. in the meantime we are making sure we are committed to the rule of law. one important thing want to say about the media and journalism in egypt, follow the media in egypt. mediae an eminent
dignitary. you will find the egyptian media says whatever they like. there are no more tyrants in egypt. charlie: but, colleagues suggest there is -- they say two things. that you believe political reform and a complete freedom of expression is suicide. that is what you believe. for egypt. does that reflect your mindset? that we have to crackdown to stop terrorism? and if human rights is violated , that is essential. president el-sisi: i simply want to say you should not overlook one important thing. we have factions in the egyptian community that are not exercising certain actions like an opposing party.
they are doing something else. we need sometimes on order to evolve. we have disagreeing forces living together and they have their own rules of the game. like here in the united states have oppositions. they can create together the political scene. this is the green faction resorting to violence against the state in the egyptian people. charlie: but that is not the cause. those people who are advocates are not because of security -- not the cause of security
threats. an american citizen has been in jail with her husband for two years. she ran a nonprofit to help street children. you know about that case. what evidence is there that she is in jail? she is not a threat to egypt security. she is not a terrorist. president el-sisi: we address any issue in egypt within the legal framework of the laws applicable in our country. significant, very much committed. if we want to uphold the rule of law, if we want to make our judiciary system stable and strong we have to all obey the legal framework of the laws applicable in our country. charlie: so even today there is
a report in the news about organizations that were being repressed, to use a kind word, because -- for no apparent reason and the natixis statesthe united government complained about it. tell me what the u.s. government says to you as the elected president of egypt that they want you to do about human rights, and are they satisfied with your answer when you tell them it is necessary for our security against terrorism? or not? is this a point you disagree with them? about? disagree
this is your opportunity to help us understand. you are the elected president and you have the support of your people in the military. president el-sisi: i have to admit this is the point of disagreement with the united states. we are trying to address these concerns and explain the situation in egypt. egypt now we have a parliament in session. it is going to discuss a law that will regulate the work of the ngo's in egypt. in a way that will be respectable code that will regulate the work of the ngo's. this will be done by parliament. we are not against the ngo's. we are not against their role. we have 47,000 ngo's working in egypt. they are providing valuable
services to the community. they are contributing to the development and the solving of many problems. we need to regulate, to organize in a good way. charlie: you say you respect the rule of law and want to do this with the parliament. but it is causing -- it is damaging. it is damaging to the image of egypt. president el-sisi: i see that it is misinterpreted to give a bad image of egypt. while the whole region is within a turbulent context. i also believe friends understand and appreciate the circumstances of each other. we are talking about a turbulent
region, extremist factions, sectors they want to destabilize countries. we need to be sensitive when we deal with all of this while being committed to human rights. but at the end of the day we need a country that is stabilized. otherwise there will be many violations of human rights this country is not stable and we can see unfortunate manifests of this bike in syria, yemen. we don't want to reach this level because of the absence of security and stability. there are a lot of violations of human rights in these countries. charlie: in countries like syria is that what you are saying?
president el-sisi: yes. charlie: i want to come back to syria in a moment. do you agree you are saying it is necessary to restrain human rights, violate human rights, in the interest of the security of egypt. president el-sisi: no. charlie: you are not acknowledging there are any violations on the part of your government, whether it is ngo's, journalists. people who are in gilles simon because of opinions they express. president el-sisi: absolutely not. in the past five years i have been in office for two years but egypt was in a destabilized state in the past five years.
there were things that happened before i came to office. when they are referred to me and i can do it with presidential pardon within the legal framework i don't hesitate to do that. i have done this with journalists and the australian and the canadian journalist to resolve things that happen before i came into office. it is important that you rest assured and everyone who listens to me that we are committed to human rights because in eventually i'm a person who loves his people and i'm not ready to do them in justice or to violate rights.
charlie: i will present the cases to you. you would as you said if you find there has been a human rights violation you will correct it. president el-sisi: it goes without saying i will do that. we uphold the principles of respecting people. of honoring their rights. these are principles we embrace these are principles we embrace and we will not hesitate to correct any violation according to the law and we will hold people accountable for that. charlie: because it is in your interest to do that. president el-sisi: it is in my interest in the interest of my country, and liberty, and justice. charlie: clearly you say there is a disagreement over these
issues are you said that. so you have not yet satisfied the government of the united states, your good friend who support you. yet. they still have disagreements. president el-sisi: let me tell you that the last meeting with secretary kerry, i gave him figures of people who have been released. whether it was a criminal release or presidential release. i gave him ammunition. i gave him a list and figures just to tell the u.s. administration we are very keen on resolving this and i believe he appreciated it.
not a lot of media coverage is given to the efforts that we are doing to resolve these issues. charlie: i must say that was my impression, the secretary had expressed great concern, and he came out and he said there was possibilities of progress on that. i do understand that. if i look at that list and i come back to you, someone will take my call. i will be able to reach someone in egypt? where would you like the relationship between united states and egypt to go? what would you like to see happen between these countries? what would you say to president obama if you were saying him?
president el-sisi: i will tell him we are very committed to the strategic relationship with united states. it's important for the united states understand egypt has been through fundamental change. there is no return to tyranny. there is no return to human rights. now, no president in egypt can stay in office more than the tenure. this is history now. this is a fundamental change. in the past this is something that did not happen in egypt door other countries around egypt.
there is a parliament that has been related through elections. this parliament has more than 85 egyptian women. i am not talking about the structure of religious backgrounds. in egypt we say we are all fellow egyptians. we don't characterize people according to religious faith. but what has happened now, has happened in a very short time. charlie: you want to say to the united states we try to change, and there are positive things happening.
you may not know, but we want to prove to you that things are changing. i want to ask you about coptic christians. president el-sisi: please, we don't say -- we don't characterize people according to religious faith. they are all equal. this is very important for you to know. there is noticed the nation. discrimination. fellow egyptians have the same rights in the same responsibilities. one of their rights as they shouldn't be defined by their religious faith. very recently there is a law
passed by the parliament to regulate the building of houses of worship for all religious faiths and egypt. a code, a law that was laid over 150 years but now it has been passed by the parliament for all fellow egyptians. now you can ask the question. charlie: i have friends who are christians and without signaling the mouth, -- signaling them out, they have had a tax against them they believe because of their religion. president el-sisi: used to be. now -- that happened by the extremist current but i talked about. the extremist faction i talked about.
these extremists factions and elements destroyed churches. after the 30th of june 2013. all of the damage churches are being restored and refurbished. at the end of this year they will be as good as new. charlie: let me ask you -- president el-sisi: let me add something here. you need to know that in order to reach a certain level of awareness within the community to instill the concept of equality, to instill the concept of not discriminating people
because of religious backgrounds, something important, but it is a process in the making that will become more and egypt and it will spread out to the other countries to respect the other, to accept the other. not to discriminate because of racial, religious or dogmatic backgrounds. charlie: let me ask about two initiatives on the foreign-policy front. you have developed a better relationship with israel, correct? president el-sisi: the relationship with israel is pretty good. there is continuous coordination. we have deployed egyptian troops to fight terrorism in an area that was spanned by the security annex to have forces and israelis understood that. some operations that we need aerial assets, and these aerial operations would be overlooking the borders with israel.
they understand this. let me say to you that we are now past the phase of insecurity. now we are in a phase where we need a new piecemeal. this region has digested the peace treaty that was signed more than 30 years ago. charlie: you also encouraged the prime minister to seek an agreement with the palestinians. was he responsive? president el-sisi: yes, absolutely. i don't only address the israeli prime minister. i also address the israeli
public opinion and i tell them to be sure that peace can change the face of this region. if there is a palestinian state side-by-side the state of israel, there will be a fundamental change to the region where the region can enjoy security and stability. i'm speaking to the israeli public, the israeli citizens. i cannot just encourage the prime minister of the israeli prime minister of the israeli government on something as sensitive as this. charlie: many israeli leaders are not looking at a two state solution. that is a concern to people who are friends of israel like the united states. one of the points the president had said he wants to make. do you worry about that?
that the israeli leadership is no longer interested in a two state solution? president el-sisi: i believe they believe in a two state solution but there is a difference between convincing people of the significance and importance of peace and imposing the solution on others. i believe that applying pressure will not be as effective or as successful as creating a belief, a conviction that if she's is achieved -- if peace is achieved, and there is no threat to the israeli citizen this home marketing neustar and a new phase to the middle east who should not forget that the palestinian issue has been one of the underlying problems, one of the causes of terrorism in the region.
if we can find a way out, i believe this will be another asset we can use to ensure stability. that will be much better. charlie: turkey. i read there is improvement in communication with the turkish government. which is getting more involved in syria and they have before. is there an improvement? in your relationship? president el-sisi: until now, not yet. charlie: are you hopeful? president el-sisi: let me say something to you, the region where we live has enough
and mark: president obama called for a course correction. the president urged both companies and leaders to speak up forcefully. obama: that doesn't mean that democracy is without flaws. foroes mean that the cure what ails our democracies is greater engagement by our citizens, not less. mark: the president said "the world is too small for us to simply be able to build a wall